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Old 22-Jun-2018, 20:56   #1261
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Which is made in Netherlands now. :Lol:
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One of our first free trade deals may be with the Aussies, as part of an agreement for them to get our Type 26 Frigates;

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-2...elayed/9902708

"There is also growing industry speculation that if BAE Systems secures the $35-billion contract Australia would be likely to sign one of the first Free Trade Agreements with the UK after Brexit, and could soon begin to export Bushmaster vehicles to the British Army."
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Boris Johnson challenged over Brexit business 'expletive'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44618154

To be honest, I'm more surprised at the BBC using the word "fuck" on the news website. I can see that getting edited.
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Old 26-Jun-2018, 17:37   #1265
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It’s appalling, but that’s where Brexit has brought us.
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Divorce bill could be £10bil higher.
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Old 27-Jun-2018, 09:51   #1268
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As if we needed any more evidence to how incompetent the current government are.
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Some random dude on reddit makes a lot of sense to me about Boris:

https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/co...4wa/?context=3

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Your first bit is right, I'd be less convinced your second bit is

Boris Johnson, lest we forget, was a one time former Mayor of London, and has plenty of pro-European comments on the record as a consequence. For most conservatives, their position on Europe had been well advertised in advance. Any convicted 'leaver' would have been expected to declare their position from day one of the campaign. After all, they'd only had thirty years to think about it! Boris didn't however. Instead he spent a week trying to make his mind up. Why? Well the answer to that is that he didn't have a particularly strong view on the subject (not that unusual within the country incidentally) but did want to be leader of the party and Prime Minister. During the debates, Nicola Sturgeon suggested this, but sadly she failed to elaborate on it, and explain to the public what Boris was doing. Instead she used it as a soundbite that didn't necessarily make any sense. So this is the sequence of events

In February 2016, David Cameron made another stupid mistake when he unnecessarily told the BBC's James Landale that he wouldn't see a third term. Although he hinted he intended that he'd serve out his term, anyone with any grasp of politics knows this is untenable. He'd have had to stand down (probably this autumn). In effect therefore Cameron had just fired the starting pistol for a battle for the Prime Ministers job.

The key to understanding this involves understanding the mechanism that the conservative use for selecting their leaders. The parliamentary party (MP's) nominate potential leaders, who then compete against each other in a series of elimination rounds of voting. When they whittle this down to the final two, the choice is then put to the wider party membership (conservatives right across the country).

Boris was popular with the wider membership, and could conceivably win that vote, but his own colleagues (the MP's) knew him to be a buffoon and so he might struggle to make the last two and therefore never get the chance to contest the final round.

If 'Remain' were to win (as Boris expected) the then Chancellor (George Osborne) would be the obvious continuity Cameron candidate. Having presided over the recovery from the credit crunch, he would have been a lock to be one of the candidates going forward to the final vote. Boris needed to be the second, and probably wouldn't have the votes within parliament to pull it off. He'd be eliminated at the penultimate stage

Boris could probably account on not much more than 40 votes in his own right, and might be able to lever another 20 or so from marginal constituencies amongst MP's scared that they might lose their seat, and that his more dynamic campaigning style was their best chance of keeping their jobs. Basically however, sixty votes wouldn't be enough. He needed to find a 'bloc' within the party to support him. The conservatives have about 70-80 fairly die hard Eurosceptics. If Boris could appease these and become their standard bearer, he might be able to lever about 140 votes and come second to George Osborne in the parliamentary vote, and then seek to win the membership vote and become Prime Minister

So he figured they'd lose the referendum, he would be perceived to have played a 'good innings' and then in 18 months time he'd seek to capitalise on this goodwill and convert it into enough parliamentary support to allow him to launch a leadership bid.

The thing is, Boris screwed it up. He won the referendum. He couldn't even get this right! The whole bloody thing is an accident.

George Osborne stood down and left parliament altogether, and now Boris is left trying to reinvent himself as the arch Brexiteer.

He did of course try and become leader, but Michael Gove and the other 'genuine' Eurosceptic's scuppered him and he withdrew. They knew he wasn't really one of them. Sure they were happy to run with him for such time as he leant their campaign panache, but once it was over he'd served their purpose and they ditched him

If David Cameron hadn't told the BBC's James Landale that he was going to step down, Boris would have campaigned for 'remain' and the likelihood is that a leave vote fronted by such charismatic individuals as Gove, Fox, Duncan-Smith, Ledsom, and Stewart, would have lost

The whole thing is a complete cock up. Boris saw the crown and made a grab for it. The people didn't appreciate what he was trying to do, and now we are where we are
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Makes sense. A lot of it is conjecture of course, but plausible enough.

Boris is a fucking idiot regardless. He’s a complete paradox, incredibly smart but incredibly dumb at the same time.
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Didn't he have 2 letters written out, one backing leave and one backing remain?
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If Cameron had got meaningful reform on free movement Brexit wouldn't have happened - that's the elephant in the room across a number of European countries. Let's not paint this as a Boris mistake. It's naive.
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It’s not a Boris mistake, it’s wrong to paint it just as his, I agree.

It’s a cluster fuck of many mistakes, from all parties.
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Free movement is a red herring. We already had powers to do far more with migrants than was publicised but we chose to never use those powers.
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Cutting through all of that Reddit post is the question about whether Boris is a true Brexit believer, and so don’t think anyone really believes he is.
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Nonetheless, useful to have him on board .
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It's an interesting analysis but I think it overstates the impact of Boris on the vote. There's a dissatisfaction with the status quo and how money and wealth is distributed which would still have been there regardless of the referendum result. It ultimately didn't matter what experts or institutions (and to a less extent politicians) said about the possible consequences.
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Aside from winning the vote I’m not sure what’s been useful about his contribution.
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The man has a great way of saying twat.
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Probably because he spent so much time looking in a mirror saying it over and over
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I didn't think I'd see Danny fucking Atrocious in this thread.
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It's an evening entertainment show, I'm sure he'll be fine.
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Oh I thought it was the morning programme - makes more sense!
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No Deal Brexit is now even money at the bookies. We're fucked.
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Where’s that being offered? I’m not sure how that they’d describe that. I think a “soft” no deal (a deal-no-deal!) is much more likely than a hard no deal (which I think is all but inconceivable).
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Paddy power have it. It's being labelled as no Brexit deal by April 19.
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Oh fine, that’s just about whether they reach an A50 deal by then (which I’d agree looks pretty hard to call at this point), that’s not quite the same as leaving without a deal (which is what I think of as a no deal Brexit)..
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Are they not the same thing then? I thought that if no agreement was reached by the A50 deadline we'd simply leave the EU with no deal and all the ramifications of that.
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