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Old 14-Jun-2017, 12:29   #31
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A resident has owned up and said the fire started when his fridge freezer exploded (I'm not precisely sure how a fridge freezer explodes?).

Anyway, a fire in a flat (started deliberately or otherwise) shouldn't total an entire tower block.
They're blaming the cladding for spreading the fire.
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Old 14-Jun-2017, 12:40   #32
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We are shocked to hear of the devastating fire at Grenfell Tower and our immediate thoughts are with those that have been affected by the incident, their families, relatives and friends.

Rydon completed a refurbishment of the building in the summer of 2016 for KCTMO (Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation) on behalf of the Council, which met all required building control, fire regulation and health & safety standards. We will cooperate with the relevant authorities and emergency services and fully support their enquiries into the causes of this fire at the appropriate time.

Given the ongoing nature of the incident and the tragic events overnight, it would be inappropriate for us to speculate or comment further at this stage.
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But not inappropriate to try and cover our arses.
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They wouldn't have manufactured the cladding. They would have used cladding manufacture elsewhere & approved by the fire regulations. Whether it should have been is another matter. As always with disaters there seems to have been a comign together of several risk factors into one terrible inicdent;

- old tower blocks with inadequate fire escapes/protection.
- potential for a cheap/unsafe appliance to catch fire.
- potential for old electrics to be a cause.
- new cladding spreading the fire.
- potential (got to be careful here) for refurbishment budget to be prioritised incorrectly on the cladding (which was probably for insulation as well as aesthetic reasons) as opposed to internal fire doors etc.
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http://www.electricalsafetyfirst.org...r-before-1994/

London Fire Brigade blamed 4 serious fires on old fridges in just a 3 month period in 2015.
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According to the Mirror, the government had been warned about this.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politic...f-sat-10620357

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Theresa May's new chief of staff was one of a series of housing ministers who "Sat on" a report warning high-rise blocks like Grenfell Tower were vulnerable to fire for four years.
A former Chief Fire Officer and secretary of a parliamentary group on fire safety today revealed successive ministers had had damning evidence on their desks since 2013 and nothing had happened.
Ronnie King, honorary administrative secretary of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Fire Safety and Rescue and a former Chief Fire Officer, told LBC Radio this morning they had "Strongly recommended" installing fire suppression systems and sprinklers in 4,000 similar tower blocks across the country.
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That's not good.
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According to the Mirror, the government had been warned about this.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politic...f-sat-10620357
did no one see my 'fucking Barwell' post lol post #17 on 1st page
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Can't speak for everyone, but I just ignored it. As ever there's going to be a lot more to come on this that may or may not vindicate the quick judgements.
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did no one see my 'fucking Barwell' post lol post #17 on 1st page
we were just waiting for someone more important to point it out
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Some of the stories on the news are horrific.
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https://skwawkbox.org/2017/06/14/tor...-installation/ all mounting up these factors now
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What's mounting up? Is there evidence there was a shortage of firefighters? Again, time will reveal all of this.
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Indeed, we need to wait and see the outcome of any investigation before we start pointing fingers.
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Indeed, we need to wait and see the outcome of any investigation before we start pointing fingers.
DO we have to? Can we not just blame the Tories? I dropped my hot salt beef bagel the other day, that was 100% the fault of a Tory somewhere
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DO we have to? Can we not just blame the Tories? I dropped my hot salt beef bagel the other day, that was 100% the fault of a Tory somewhere
of course it was, if it wasn't for austerity you would have been having a sit down meal!
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Corbyn asking what looks like all the right questions.
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Tensions are running high along the edge of the cordon as temperatures soar and people become increasingly tired and hungry.

Outside Latymer community church, a clash between a group of young men and a photographer broke out.

The men appeared to be concerned that the photographer had them on video on his phone and were demanding that he delete the footage.

The men pursued the photographer up Bramley Road where he requested police assistance; he deleted the images and footage in their presence.

The men eventually turned around and left shouting expletives at the photographer and the police. A group of volunteers handing out water and food outside the centre were shouting about the lack of support: “where’s our MP? Where’s the council? No one understands.”
I predict a riot...
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Tenants had been told to stay put if there was a fire. This is not going to stay at 6 dead,
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I think we'll be looking at least double that in the next day. Will be a miracle if it's anything less.
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Apologies. £8.6 million.
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A tad concerning that most of Aberdeen's high-rises have now been cladded in similar looking material.
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£8.6 million!!! I know its a big tower and all but that seems a lot for a bit of shite cladding
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