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Old 17-Apr-2018, 09:06   #301
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This is amazingly bad, I don't think it could of been any more damning.
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I think it fair to assume the central 100 is a % given that all the %'s on the outside = 100.
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I realized I cocked up the math as soon as I hit submit (as is always the case).
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44200041

Turns out this profit boosting old shit was way more flammable than red tape.
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I find it difficult to hold the supplier of the cladding responsible unless they explicitly backed off the fire safety requirement.
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nah I did, just that I don't expect Architects to work off glossy promotion brochures and i'd expect them to actively seek to ensure that what they design meets the standards.
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Architects don't buy materials but assuming we're talking about the fitter in general, they are supposed to conduct diligence. Both parties are. It doesn't mean that the manufacturer doesn't have culpability.
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https://www.lrb.co.uk/v40/n11/andrew-ohagan/the-tower

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It would later become clear, in a report published by the Association of British Insurers, that building materials’ manufacturers and regulators were gaming the housing industry for profit.

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Despite all the headlines and all the cries of murder directed at the local authority, the only people who could have known that the cladding was a potential fire risk were the people whose financial advantage lay in selling it, and passing it off, up and down the country, as safe. But as headlines go that’s not as sexy or as memorable as accusing two posh men of mass murder.
Not arguing the parts where accountability unquestionably lies in part with manufacture and supply, but good lord the LC get a gold plated pass from any responsibility in this piece.
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I don’t know about a gold pass and the article is very defensive of the council, but it’s about the only “other side of the story” I’ve seen so far and it’s sounds at least plausible to me.
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Councillor showboating on the back of a terrible tragedy is fucking disgraceful, no doubt he will be hailed as a hero... because 'mob justice' forget the fact that a fucking public inquiry is ongoing as pointed out by the councillor they cant speak freely.

but yeah by all means cheer the councillor as a hero.
I was wrong to be critical of this at the time based on the article.
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This is also worth reading as well

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none of that long read answers what I'd hope is a simple question

who owned the tenant liability for fire safety and how it was contractually covered across the parties involved if at all.
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I think we’ll need the government inquiry and a corporate manslaughter trial to answer that.
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A culture of non-compliance.

Fire protection destroyed by major changes to the building.

The cladding on Grenfell was the primary cause of the spread of the fire.
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It's got about as much to do with why that tower went up in flames as most of the other BS being posted.
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Yeah about that.
Give the lad a break, his overlords might be reading this. If he says the wrong thing, they'll take him away for political re-education.
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Grenfell inquiry: Refurbishment 'turned tower into death trap'
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Fuck all of these cunts. Seriously.
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Yep , but hardly surprising if it would open them up to criminal charges?
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Oh sure. But the fucking of them all should continue unabated.
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Missed this - you can't throw the benefit of a year's worth of hindsight back at me
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I'm not. Hindsight didn't inform the unambiguous sight of flaming plastic sloughing off grenfell at the time and it doesn't diminish the accuracy of wielding occam's razor against the usage of those materials then or now.
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To be fair I think the crux of my position was: let's wait for the reports before throwing around accusations and blaming government(s). But ho hum, this is a fairly shit set of circumstances.
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No the crux of your position was "it's not possibly as simple as you people are making out so please counterbalance your arguments or desist".

Only it was. It is. Sometimes life depresses that way. Someone wanted a few extra quid so they manufactured a deathtrap. Government facilitated that risk appetite by way of commercial appeasement. That's it. Complicate it if it makes you feel better but that's really it.
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OK happy to concede. I don't mind being wrong on this as it's so horribly depressing if true.
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No the crux of your position was "it's not possibly as simple as you people are making out so please counterbalance your arguments or desist".

Only it was. It is. Sometimes life depresses that way. Someone wanted a few extra quid so they manufactured a deathtrap. Government facilitated that risk appetite by way of commercial appeasement. That's it. Complicate it if it makes you feel better but that's really it.
So the conclusions we came to on page 1 of this thread were accurate.
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