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Old 08-Jan-2013, 14:17   #121
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I know what you mean, but they've specifically said one that's powerful enough for gaming. Notice they carefully didn't say how much power it would draw, only that the 'low power one is 20 Watts'.

By Vesa mount, do you mean behind the monitor?
Yeah I know, but the Durango and Orbis are running above 150w, so it's a big jump.
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My gaming PC is running a 550W PSU which I dont think is enough. Id say if they can run a gaming unit at around 150W then theyve done one hell of a job.

Of course this is all speculation until CES.
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And the xbox360s uses 135w at absolute peak. And my toothbrush doesn't. It as relevant a comparison.
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As a non-expert I'm not sure it's completely irrelevant, there must be at least some correlation between power consumption and performance?
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It's not irrelevant but comparisons are quite useless against dissimilar expectations.
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Old 08-Jan-2013, 15:00   #126
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The super slim PS3 runs at ~70 watts while playing games - so it's not completely unobtainable for performance at a relatively modest power.
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Well thats also 10 year old hardware. Power requirements have gone up since then.
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Kinda. The original ran at ~190W. Super slim is same hardware, but at a 45nm process. But, point.
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Its also a valid point that we have learnt to run more powerful hardware on lower power requirements, particularly with respect to CPUs. GPUs on the other hand....
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http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpu...-3870-review/6
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AMD A series with integrated Radeon HD 6550D. 61 watts combined CPU/GPU. 25fps in blops 2 at 1,680 x 1,050 before core unlocking. And the A series is still on first generation. You should be able to run a few chips compromising an SSD and all the other shit and get significant change out of 100 watts total. If Intel and AND continue to exploit the hunger for low-cost/reasonable performance parts like these then the micro PC's will have no problem meeting the majority of expectations gamingwise.

Equally though - if you're at our (trickery, in the main) end of the spectrum then you're not going to settle for 40-50 frames at 720p and you'll still spend your 1000 quid.
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Well thats also 10 year old hardware. Power requirements have gone up since then.
Six years surely? Or are you including a four year development time?
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Nah I had the 360 stuck in my head, but 4 years dev doesnt sound entirely unreasonable for the PS3.
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Nah I had the 360 stuck in my head, but 4 years dev doesnt sound entirely unreasonable for the PS3.
360 was 2006 though wasn't it? I avoid consoles generally, it's just that I remember watching the vid of that guy queuing to buy one of the very first ones, then trashing it in the mall car park-to the anguish of most of the people watching
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360 was 2006 though wasn't it? I avoid consoles generally, it's just that I remember watching the vid of that guy queuing to buy one of the very first ones, then trashing it in the mall car park-to the anguish of most of the people watching
November 2005, and MS thanked him for his money.

Isn't the 'alleged' launch date of next gen consoles 2015? Or has there been a change since then.
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Fairly sure they'll try and get Durango out this year (they were pushing very hard to get it out last year). No idea about the ps4, but it seems pretty likely they 'll announce.
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Isn't the 'alleged' launch date of next gen consoles 2015? Or has there been a change since then.
Weeellll...some people have been looking at some of the games coming out as console titles towards the end of this year on Xbox & PS, and saying; "hang on a fuckin' minute-that'll never run on current kit, even taking maturation/end-of-life optimisation into account".

I think they're on about Star Wars 1313 with this in mind, but all the screens I've seen, I could just about imagine that as a swansong for the 360, just. I think perhaps they've seen screens from the PC version-which looks rather nice-and gotten the wrong end of the stick.

At the end of the day, the new kit won't be cheap, and I'm not sure the global economy is ready for a slew of new hardware + game releases...
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More speculation!

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Aye, the BBC had that too. Brings a whole new meaning to swanning up to someone in a pub or club and asking if they want to "come home and play with your piston"

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At the end of the day, the new kit won't be cheap, and I'm not sure the global economy is ready for a slew of new hardware + game releases...
I'm thinking that might extend the lifespans a bit.
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Isn't the 'alleged' launch date of next gen consoles 2015? Or has there been a change since then.
I cant remember the details so this will be a vague, vaguely vague post:

Some cunt from Microsoft posted a tweet or some shit like that with a countdown to <insert random trade show here> with the words "And its on!", which has obviously fueled speculation that MS are about to unveil the next Xbox.

*edit* It was "Major Nelson", posted on his website and its a countdown to E3. Amazing what a quick google search can resolve.
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I'm thinking that might extend the lifespans a bit.
Well, Sony have just brought out that new cheapo Chinese PS3, although I'd imagine it could well sit as a budget option the same as them still making DVD players alongside Blu-Ray machines..
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999USD I'd be expecting some pretty decent performance! Even the top end AMD Fusion at the moment wouldn't be worth that kind of money for the sake of size.
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Just in general around this conversation - it's important to remember the long tail of gamers/potential gamers who simply do not or cannot keep hardware up to date and would be quite happy with a store full of six month old, six year old, or just plain low-requirement titles to bang through. I imagine the number of people who give not a toss about Farcry 3 in Ultra is enough to sustain something like this - even south of the 1000 quid model.
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And more again, this time from the big man.

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Lovely - instant value by competition!

I think Gabe Newell has a superb vision, for all the pisstaking he gets. I hope the realities can keep up with his intentions.
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df...-inside-piston

Some insight and performance from EG. As suspected the current crop of AMD integrated kit isn't really up to muster at the price point, but they can only get cheaper en masse and the parts can only get better.
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So if Valve pull this off do you think it will sink the current business model for Consoles? It seems to me it will in the long term? Much like it's taking a while for Google/Android + various hardware vendors to erode Apple/iOS dominance in the smart phone sector? Infact overall it strikes me that we're in exactly the same scenario with Valve's Steambox as we were with Google's Android back in 2007?
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