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Old 18-Oct-2006, 15:05   #1
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Us and them...

It's almost like there is another type of sub human being that we are forced to share our lives with, live alongside but who we detest. A parasite bleeding us dry in our own country. It doesn't matter how it got here it's not welcome because it's different. Our country is better than their country that's why they want to be here, living off our sweat.

Some people, some of us, think we should just get rid of them all together, they give nothing they should go home to where they come from, kick them out! Then there would be more for us, we would be better off. It would be so easy to do it because they are so different from us, it's an easy thing to do, point out differences, and all of them are different.

We can all help, with finding new differences, things they do, they believe, they want and the things they get but they don't deserve. If we ever run out of real differences then we can just make things up, rumours, half truths, whispers, facts and fiction. People, our people, will always believe some of it. Opinions will be formed, concensus will be reached and one day we will be free of them.

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Old 18-Oct-2006, 15:08   #2
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Shouldn't this be in the Current Affairs forum?
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Old 18-Oct-2006, 15:10   #3
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I think he made it clear in Norfolk's thread why he was posting it here instead of CA.
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Yeah, it's far too good.
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I think he made it clear in Norfolk's thread why he was posting it here instead of CA.
He did? Thanks.
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Very nice karmic, you still havnt given me one good reason for multiculturlism or unrestricted immigration.

You seem to be unable to seperate people who are bigots to those that understand the basic laws of economics, unlimited wants and only limited resources.
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Old 18-Oct-2006, 19:54   #10
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I'm not suggesting for a moment that we should have unlimited immigration, but I think things have gone too far not to accept multiculturalism as the only way forward. We've always been happy to import cheap labour to do the things we don't want to do, so now we're stuck with it mate.... I think you're just abit keen to see the negative side of intergration rather than the (possible) positives whislt I don't see any alternative. You're clearly a bright bloke but I get the impression you see things from a fairly far right/ privaledged upbringing perspective, where money is good provided it's old.
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Indeed,

however I dont see it as us and them. I see it as what can they do for me/the country. As you say cheap labour was the main reason for immigration but now the economic benefits of this are being more than offset by the civic infrastructure overload and social costs.

I am massively pro-intergration which indicates an absorption of the minority into the majority and is the total opposite of multiculturialism. Intergration stops them being 'them' and makes 'them' us. If intergration is succesful the only real difference should be some unique customs/beliefs and/or colour of skin which should not matter to anyone.

Intergration is the only way foward, multiculturalism has and will continue to fail.
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What would you expect their culture to afford you if you were to move there? Take the situation of you moving to Iran. Night out on the town with the gf? Her dressed in a mini-skirt and halterneck top, you necking a few pints, nothing wrong with that is there? Come home afterwards, put on the telly and the nice folk at the Iranian Broadcasting Corporation have laid on some nice English programming for you...sweet!
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With the increasing outpouring of Western and specifically US and UK culture across the rest of the world, it would be quite nice to let them have their own cultural beliefs and traditions in our country instead of thrusting ours in their faces.
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With the increasing inpouring of Eastern European and specifically asian cultures into the UK, it would be quite nice for them to accept our cultural beliefs and traditions in our country instead of thrusting theirs in our faces.

I don't believe the above view is too extreme - I merely consider what would greet me if the reverse were true. Inflexible cultures are to be found the world over and no amount of western bombardment no matter how insidious (why hello McDonalds)
is going to change it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, who the fuck wants to watch Thunderbirds in Hindi?
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Funny.... here we are invading countries, threatening to invade countries, imposing santions and some would say causing blood shed on a large scale. Yet we still get upset about their cultural differences and accuse anyone who tries to further their own cultural befiefs of 'thrusting it' in our face.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, who the fuck wants to watch Thunderbirds in Hindi?
Why any self-respecting Hindu of course!

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the word 'them' will always be used karmic, because, and take note here, people are different.

SHOCK HORROR.

If you are in one socioeconomic/religious/ethnic group, people like you are 'US', EVERYONE else is 'THEM'.

If you segragate yourself from the VAST MAJORITY of the rest of the population of the country you CHOOSE (except the poor girls imported for use as hookers, no-one is holding a gun to economic immgrants heads are they? (tho knowing the company I work for maybe they are)) to isolate yourself and your children, you CHOOSE to make everyone else into THEM.

It's simple, you move somewhere you try to fit in, yes by all means maintain your traditions BUT, and here's the important bit, your 'traditions' must conform to the laws of the country you live in, if you refuse, you invite trouble on yourself. (either legal/social or BNP members kicking your head in)

Personally I don't care what religion/colour/nationality you are if you try to get along, but some people (THEM) are actively trying to make out we are persecuting them. When in fact we are simply wanting them to follow our laws/codes of behaviour.

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Indeed,

however I dont see it as us and them. I see it as what can they do for me/the country. As you say cheap labour was the main reason for immigration but now the economic benefits of this are being more than offset by the civic infrastructure overload and social costs.

I am massively pro-intergration which indicates an absorption of the minority into the majority and is the total opposite of multiculturialism. Intergration stops them being 'them' and makes 'them' us. If intergration is succesful the only real difference should be some unique customs/beliefs and/or colour of skin which should not matter to anyone.

Intergration is the only way foward, multiculturalism has and will continue to fail.
I see what you mean, the thing is I don't see muticulturalism means non intergration. I work/ed in a hospital that employs people from many faiths/countries who live in this country, we are intergrated atleast in the work place but there is no question of any of the groups having to 'sacrifice' their cultural identity.... I'm trying to work out under what circumstances this would need to not be the case in order to claim we are intergrated rather than multicultural or visa versa. I see that under your conditions it would be classed as multicultural, which you see as a bad thing, but it works very well. There are divides within the groups but there are also overlaps, the differences in culture themselves have no negative effects though. I expect that more intergration will occur as time goes on and on an equal footing... I can't see who this would be the case if other groups where forced to foresake their cultural identity as a precursor to getting a job.

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