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Old 24-Jun-2017, 11:28   #211
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Public opinion is gaining power all the time in this country. I wouldn't bet against them being out of business this time next year
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Maybe, that's true, although there's not much in the way of assets and the guys involved will put themselves into liquidation and set themselves up again pretty soon thereafter.

My comment was more aimed at the idea tru might get sued. Full investigation required of course, but there's every chance the work was signed off.
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I don't imagine that line will won't hold if they've demonstrably concealed divergences from spec.
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Jail time for the directors is a definite possibility, unless they can find a convenient scapegoat.
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I think the number of corporate manslaughter convictions suggests that while that's a definite possibility, it's also an incredibly unlikely one.
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I don't imagine that line will won't hold if they've demonstrably concealed divergences from spec.
I think "demonstrably" is the key word in that sentence, but I agree with your point.
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No I wouldn't either, that's the sad state of affairs in this country. They'll be desperately searching for someone to throw under the bus.

I'm surprised the Police haven't seized financial records and emails yet.
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Has that been confirmed? Would surprise me as well, although I obviously don't know how these investigations typically proceed.
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I should also say that I'm not assuming Ryden are responsible here. The councils are interested parties, so until there's an investigation it's hard to say.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40391395

"Cladding on 34 tower blocks in 17 council areas in England has failed fire safety tests, the government says. The results mean every sample has failed the tests so far."
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Spectacular. What about other stuff then. Like university accommodation, hotels and offices eh? This could end up being massive..
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Grenfell Tower fire victims 'were murdered', says Labour's John McDonnell

Whilst I'm all for politics, the way Labour are currently acting both with this and the GE stinks. Personally, I think it is stoking fires that cannot be controlled politically and risks an "us and them" response. In short, it's politically irresponsible.
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I don't necessarily disagree but he didn't exactly exclude labour governments from blame at least according to the comments I've seen.
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Aye, he blamed decades of successive governments.
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From the way I read it, it excluded his definition of a Labour government
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I can't find a full transcript, this is an excerpt from the BBC:

He said: "Is democracy working? It didn't work if you were a family living on the 20th floor of Grenfell Tower.

"Those families, those individuals - 79 so far and there will be more - were murdered by political decisions that were taken over recent decades.

"The decision not to build homes and to view housing as only for financial speculation rather than for meeting a basic human need made by politicians over decades murdered those families."
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Whilst I'm all for politics, the way Labour are currently acting both with this and the GE stinks. Personally, I think it is stoking fires that cannot be controlled politically and risks an "us and them" response. In short, it's politically irresponsible.
If you take the majority of what they said about both Grenfell and the GE out of context, then sure. I'd much rather they are standing up for people compared to the Tory government who have buried their head in the sand and pretending nothing is happening.
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He's got a long way down before he reaches "the opposition is a threat to national security".
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Hate the use of the term murder... as that implies pre-meditated. Manslaughter should be used instead.
Anyway, they should simply stop the party-bashing as it's about as useful as a chocolate teapot.
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Well corporate manslaughter. Not that anyone ever goes to jail for that. It's just a big fine.

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Police are saying they won't have a final death toll until next year.

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Police are saying they won't have a final death toll until next year.

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I can understand it taking so long for identification purposes, but they must have a rough idea of the number, as they knew the number of tenants living in the block, and the number of survivors. Definitely going to be in the hundreds though.
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The missing + confirmed list is sub-100. None of which particularly matters, just awful regardless.
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Just from this quote I'd guess it'll be less than 100, but again, still beyond awful.

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https://www.ft.com/content/3c2f21e0-...8-8055f264aa8b

Another FT article, but this is awful.
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Another FT article, but this is awful.
Really? You think we all subscribe?
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Yeesh, yeah not good.
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